I like hot chocolate. My preferred brand is clipper, no I'm not rich I just budget clever. I emailed clipper to find out about bovear in their hot choc. I had a reply....
"Thank you for your patience. As this is an emerging issue, I am waiting for a response from our supplier. As soon as I hear from them, I will be in touch.
I’ve been looking into this. According to The Science(TM), methane accounts for some 20-25% of global warming since 1850 (or GHG radiative forcing) and will be 30% ongoing. Current atmospheric concentration is 1750 parts per BILLION, so it does sound dubious.
I've been buying Yeo Valley for years, so thought I'd check their stance. Looks like I will continue to buy from them...
"Yeo Valley Organic does not allow feed additives for the reduction of methane within our supply chain. We instead rely on the natural holistic systems of farming organically. Our focus is based on ecological principles which impose strict limitations on the inputs that can be used to minimise damage to the environment, animals and wildlife.
In the UK organic farming is governed by a legal framework. All Yeo Valley Organic products are certified by an approved control body – the Soil Association.
The Soil Association organic standards stipulate that all ingredients/components of a feed additive must be actively approved for use and be deemed safe and nutritionally useful for the animal.
In relation to Bovaer, the Soil Association has stated that the main components that make up Bovaer are not included in the list of approved products/compounds and as a result, Bovaer would not be permitted for use in organic farming, for all organic products."
I have seen in lists published by thosenin the truther camp that the organic arm of Yeo Valley and other related businesses are also using it. I have queried this because I (foolishly) have faith in UK organic licensing. As far as I am aware the soil association have stated bovear is NOT allowed I organic foods. But can we trust the system?
Our stance, because we buy raw milk is to buy organic and ask the direct question. So far, we have thoughtful replies but who knows?
I fear that soon we'll see a dilution of UK organic standards as happen in USA a few years back.
Graham's Dairy, Yeo Valley and other organic milk is going to sell out quickly whilst Arla products and supermarket own brands are going to be left on the shelves.
Important update above. It looks like almost the entire supermarket supply chain has been or will soon be compromised by this junk. Are they trying to destroy the dairy industry on purpose?
A lot of real farmers pointing out on X that they will have nothing to do with this nonsense. My concern is that milk is mixed from many farms prior to being bottled, so we won’t know for sure if this chemical is getting into the dairy food chain.
Fingers crossed that a majority of farmers WILL reject this, if for no other reason than they won't be able to sell their milk to an angry public. But I won't hold my breath.
Robin Minotti suspects in another X post that the reason Bill Gates is so keen on Bovaer is that potential side effects include damage to male fertility and reproductive organs: https://x.com/robinmonotti/status/1861733728885571786.
The circumstantial evidence keeps growing that Bill Gates is a psychopathic eugenicist.
In a functioning democracy you would expect worthy bodies such as the NFU (National Farmers Union), the Royal Society and BBC News to be aware of this development and to have made public their views. The first I’d ever heard of Bovaer was today, just before Jaime’s post. Sadly a search for “Bovaer” using the website Query buttons of these three organisations returns zero hits. They all stand complicitly guilty by omission.
Did Gates not see the recent WaPo article that graphed global temps over the last several million years? it showed that we are now near the very coldest temps during that entire period and that the earth has been much warmer for most of the past several million years.
Regarding your WWIII on Christmas, it's terrifying to even think about it! But, as this video shows, it sure does look like it's in the cards
The imminent start of WW3 is unlikely. Putin has just played checkmate on the USA and NATO by demonstrating his long-range (potentially), hypersonic, multiple warhead (including nuclear) Oreshnik weapon system. It doesn’t seem to have sunk in yet that Putin could destroy all US aircraft carriers in minutes: https://x.com/HealthRanger/status/1861271775763398877.
Interesting Doug, now I get it. It wasn't so much the fact that Oreshnik can be loaded with nuclear warheads, it's that it can fire NON NUCLEAR conventional warheads with surgical precision, long range, at unstoppable speed. But as Health Ranger points out, NATO can now either back down or go nuclear and he doesn't think they're bright enough to back down . . . . . . . .
yes, I hope you're right. I think Putin is the only sane person in the room. But meanwhile the Israeli death cult continues and it's that war that has the potential for something even more awful that it already is. Zionists say "God gave it to ME", but who is this "god" who gave the land to the Jews? God is love, but this god has had them slaughter every man, woman, and child, sometimes even the sheep and goats. God told them to do that? I say that's not God, it's Satan or one of his lieutenants.
Putin is a thug and bully yet you describe him as the “only sane person.” Will you be celebrating his decision to bomb us back into the stone ages? How great is that for the environment? What does this have to do with cow farts? 🤡
Putin has shown incredible restraint in Ukraine. For nearly 8 years , he had been asked by the ethnic Russians to intervene on their behalf. You do know that the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected President in Ukraine in 2014, right? You know that soon after that coup, the Ukrainian Nazi Azov battalion began bombing and shelling eastern Ukraine. This went on for 8 years, killing 14,000 Ukrainian civilians. You know this, right?
In 2022 when Russian invaded, they did not do carpet bombing of Ukraine (like the US did in Iraq). They did not destroy civilian infrastructure. They did not target civilians. Only weeks after they invaded, they proposed a peace agreement to Zelensky. They were very close to closing the deal.
You know what the deal was, right? The Russians agreed to return ALL of the territory they had captured, they agreed to pre-invasion boundaries. In return, Ukraine was to remain a neutral country and not join NATO and not have any US or other foreign bases.
You know what happened, right? War monger Biden wouldn't have it. He sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to tell Zelensky, no no no you cannot end this yet. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian and Russian young men must die first. So Zelensky scuttled the peace deal. So here we are 2 1/2 years later with hundreds of thousands dead and wounded Ukrainian and Russian men.
Only a couple of weeks ago war monger Biden gave the okay to strike deep into Russia with US made missiles which they did. Putin is still showing incredible restraint. If he were the bully and thug that you believe he is, he would have struck back at the US by firing a missile deep into the US. He didn't do that, but if we continue striking deep into Russia, all bets are off. Does war monger Biden want to start WW III before he leaves office? He's sure acting like it.
Ya right, restraint. Bombing a satellite manufacturing plant shows such self control and concern for the Ukrainian people. That is why he went to battle, he has a big KGB heart and is concerned about farming the breadbasket of the continent to provide food for the world. He was so concerned about the Ukrainian people, he bombed their power plants. That’s incredible restraint if you want to take over a country and force the people to work for you.
nope, he does not want the people to work for him. Did you read about his peace offer that Biden and Johnson forced Z to scuttle? Or how about this, surely you know about this:
1991, then US Secretary of State James Baker told the Russians no less than 3 times, "We will not move NATO one inch east of Germany!"
Guess how many NATO countries there are that are east of Germany today? A Baker's Dozen (ahem...)
That's one of the reasons Jeffrey Sachs said recently, "No one should trust the Americans."
He also has said that the failure to help Russia, the failure to welcome them as friends, as an ally, in the early 1990's after they had thrown off communism is perhaps the greatest foreign policy blunder of all times! The people of Russia had thrown off communism! Why didn't we welcome them? We welcomed the eastern European countries and helped them. But Russiaphobia must run deep because we didn't reach out to them at all. Instead, we lied to them.
If war monger Biden keeps poking the Bear, he (and we ) are likely to get mauled.
If Putin does not strike back deep into the US before Trump gets inaugurated, Trump will end that ridiculous war.
So I don't understand the rationale behind cow farts and CO2. Do you have a resource where the sense or nonsense of this is explained? Is it even true that cow farts are contributing to CO2?
Imagine yourself standing on high ground in farming countryside. Do a 360° scan of the far horizon to estimate how many cows you can see. Then question what conceivable effect the relatively miniscule mass of these cows and their farts could have on the huge biosphere stretching to the horizon and above. It defies all common sense that methane (CH4) from cow farts is a danger to the climate.
Thank you. I will do that some day when I am in a countryside with a high ground available (hard to come by where I am from). I have always intuitively thought this was nonsense. But my question was to understand the rationale behind it. Not to understand it with the purpose to affirm it.
O thank you for this! This is definitely helpful in conversations with others. So an overview is very welcome. I am not usually clever enough to have a good comeback when people are all in to climate change and green energy and chiding me for expressing doubts.
Isn’t it obvious that the “rationale” of the fraudulent pseudo-science climate fearmongering on methane is to use it as a pretext to advance the war on farming and the wider climate change hoax aimed at imposing totalitarian one-world governance?
The rationale is that this feed additive supposedly reduces methane (a potent but short-lived greenhouse gas) emissions from cows burping and farting, but as I pointed out in my article, this implies that less CO2 and hydrogen are being converted into methane in the gut, therefore more CO2 (a less potent but long-lived greenhouse gas) is emitted.
I like hot chocolate. My preferred brand is clipper, no I'm not rich I just budget clever. I emailed clipper to find out about bovear in their hot choc. I had a reply....
"Thank you for your patience. As this is an emerging issue, I am waiting for a response from our supplier. As soon as I hear from them, I will be in touch.
Kind regards
Alexandra
Consumer Care"
This was 10 days ago. Still waiting.... .
Jaime,
It's also totally unnecessary. Green lobby has been studiously ignoring this paper for some years now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m73QYdhoCw &
https://wvanwijngaarden.info.yorku.ca/files/2020/12/WThermal-Radiationf.pdf?x45936
Atmospheric concentration of CH4 is simply too low to affect climate, irrespective of its GWP
I’ve been looking into this. According to The Science(TM), methane accounts for some 20-25% of global warming since 1850 (or GHG radiative forcing) and will be 30% ongoing. Current atmospheric concentration is 1750 parts per BILLION, so it does sound dubious.
Personally I wouldn't wipe my backside on anything the Science(TM) publishes.
I've been buying Yeo Valley for years, so thought I'd check their stance. Looks like I will continue to buy from them...
"Yeo Valley Organic does not allow feed additives for the reduction of methane within our supply chain. We instead rely on the natural holistic systems of farming organically. Our focus is based on ecological principles which impose strict limitations on the inputs that can be used to minimise damage to the environment, animals and wildlife.
In the UK organic farming is governed by a legal framework. All Yeo Valley Organic products are certified by an approved control body – the Soil Association.
The Soil Association organic standards stipulate that all ingredients/components of a feed additive must be actively approved for use and be deemed safe and nutritionally useful for the animal.
In relation to Bovaer, the Soil Association has stated that the main components that make up Bovaer are not included in the list of approved products/compounds and as a result, Bovaer would not be permitted for use in organic farming, for all organic products."
https://help.yeovalley.co.uk/hc/en-gb/articles/23333562847389-Does-Yeo-Valley-use-feed-additives
I have seen in lists published by thosenin the truther camp that the organic arm of Yeo Valley and other related businesses are also using it. I have queried this because I (foolishly) have faith in UK organic licensing. As far as I am aware the soil association have stated bovear is NOT allowed I organic foods. But can we trust the system?
Our stance, because we buy raw milk is to buy organic and ask the direct question. So far, we have thoughtful replies but who knows?
I fear that soon we'll see a dilution of UK organic standards as happen in USA a few years back.
Graham's Dairy, Yeo Valley and other organic milk is going to sell out quickly whilst Arla products and supermarket own brands are going to be left on the shelves.
Important update above. It looks like almost the entire supermarket supply chain has been or will soon be compromised by this junk. Are they trying to destroy the dairy industry on purpose?
Imagine calling yourself a farmer then feeding stuff like this to your stock.
A lot of real farmers pointing out on X that they will have nothing to do with this nonsense. My concern is that milk is mixed from many farms prior to being bottled, so we won’t know for sure if this chemical is getting into the dairy food chain.
Im not holding my fingers crossed. Farmers aint saints either.
Fingers crossed that a majority of farmers WILL reject this, if for no other reason than they won't be able to sell their milk to an angry public. But I won't hold my breath.
Insanity is the new common sense! But then again so is the now common occurrence of poisoning man and beast. Death or destruction or both.
Robin Minotti suspects in another X post that the reason Bill Gates is so keen on Bovaer is that potential side effects include damage to male fertility and reproductive organs: https://x.com/robinmonotti/status/1861733728885571786.
The circumstantial evidence keeps growing that Bill Gates is a psychopathic eugenicist.
He's just the figurehead though.
I’m puzzled. Burning biomass is considered sustainable when Drax does it. Cows eating biomass isn’t.
Yep all part if the gaslighting bullshitery
Can you spell " S_C_A_M "?
In a functioning democracy you would expect worthy bodies such as the NFU (National Farmers Union), the Royal Society and BBC News to be aware of this development and to have made public their views. The first I’d ever heard of Bovaer was today, just before Jaime’s post. Sadly a search for “Bovaer” using the website Query buttons of these three organisations returns zero hits. They all stand complicitly guilty by omission.
"Functioning" I had to laugh.
I can understand that some people can have mad beliefs, but when they start acting on them they should be locked up.
Did Gates not see the recent WaPo article that graphed global temps over the last several million years? it showed that we are now near the very coldest temps during that entire period and that the earth has been much warmer for most of the past several million years.
Regarding your WWIII on Christmas, it's terrifying to even think about it! But, as this video shows, it sure does look like it's in the cards
https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY
The imminent start of WW3 is unlikely. Putin has just played checkmate on the USA and NATO by demonstrating his long-range (potentially), hypersonic, multiple warhead (including nuclear) Oreshnik weapon system. It doesn’t seem to have sunk in yet that Putin could destroy all US aircraft carriers in minutes: https://x.com/HealthRanger/status/1861271775763398877.
Also covered here in this Jeff Childers newsletter: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/unstoppable-tuesday-november-26-2024.
Interesting Doug, now I get it. It wasn't so much the fact that Oreshnik can be loaded with nuclear warheads, it's that it can fire NON NUCLEAR conventional warheads with surgical precision, long range, at unstoppable speed. But as Health Ranger points out, NATO can now either back down or go nuclear and he doesn't think they're bright enough to back down . . . . . . . .
yes, I hope you're right. I think Putin is the only sane person in the room. But meanwhile the Israeli death cult continues and it's that war that has the potential for something even more awful that it already is. Zionists say "God gave it to ME", but who is this "god" who gave the land to the Jews? God is love, but this god has had them slaughter every man, woman, and child, sometimes even the sheep and goats. God told them to do that? I say that's not God, it's Satan or one of his lieutenants.
Putin is a thug and bully yet you describe him as the “only sane person.” Will you be celebrating his decision to bomb us back into the stone ages? How great is that for the environment? What does this have to do with cow farts? 🤡
Putin has shown incredible restraint in Ukraine. For nearly 8 years , he had been asked by the ethnic Russians to intervene on their behalf. You do know that the CIA helped overthrow a democratically elected President in Ukraine in 2014, right? You know that soon after that coup, the Ukrainian Nazi Azov battalion began bombing and shelling eastern Ukraine. This went on for 8 years, killing 14,000 Ukrainian civilians. You know this, right?
In 2022 when Russian invaded, they did not do carpet bombing of Ukraine (like the US did in Iraq). They did not destroy civilian infrastructure. They did not target civilians. Only weeks after they invaded, they proposed a peace agreement to Zelensky. They were very close to closing the deal.
You know what the deal was, right? The Russians agreed to return ALL of the territory they had captured, they agreed to pre-invasion boundaries. In return, Ukraine was to remain a neutral country and not join NATO and not have any US or other foreign bases.
You know what happened, right? War monger Biden wouldn't have it. He sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to tell Zelensky, no no no you cannot end this yet. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian and Russian young men must die first. So Zelensky scuttled the peace deal. So here we are 2 1/2 years later with hundreds of thousands dead and wounded Ukrainian and Russian men.
Only a couple of weeks ago war monger Biden gave the okay to strike deep into Russia with US made missiles which they did. Putin is still showing incredible restraint. If he were the bully and thug that you believe he is, he would have struck back at the US by firing a missile deep into the US. He didn't do that, but if we continue striking deep into Russia, all bets are off. Does war monger Biden want to start WW III before he leaves office? He's sure acting like it.
Ya right, restraint. Bombing a satellite manufacturing plant shows such self control and concern for the Ukrainian people. That is why he went to battle, he has a big KGB heart and is concerned about farming the breadbasket of the continent to provide food for the world. He was so concerned about the Ukrainian people, he bombed their power plants. That’s incredible restraint if you want to take over a country and force the people to work for you.
nope, he does not want the people to work for him. Did you read about his peace offer that Biden and Johnson forced Z to scuttle? Or how about this, surely you know about this:
1991, then US Secretary of State James Baker told the Russians no less than 3 times, "We will not move NATO one inch east of Germany!"
Guess how many NATO countries there are that are east of Germany today? A Baker's Dozen (ahem...)
That's one of the reasons Jeffrey Sachs said recently, "No one should trust the Americans."
He also has said that the failure to help Russia, the failure to welcome them as friends, as an ally, in the early 1990's after they had thrown off communism is perhaps the greatest foreign policy blunder of all times! The people of Russia had thrown off communism! Why didn't we welcome them? We welcomed the eastern European countries and helped them. But Russiaphobia must run deep because we didn't reach out to them at all. Instead, we lied to them.
If war monger Biden keeps poking the Bear, he (and we ) are likely to get mauled.
If Putin does not strike back deep into the US before Trump gets inaugurated, Trump will end that ridiculous war.
Imagine just how stupid you'd need to be to believe that changing cow burps would somehow affect the weather....
As a species we never did progress beyond sacrificing children to "the experts" on pyramids so it will rain.
We don't have to imagine anymore.
So I don't understand the rationale behind cow farts and CO2. Do you have a resource where the sense or nonsense of this is explained? Is it even true that cow farts are contributing to CO2?
Imagine yourself standing on high ground in farming countryside. Do a 360° scan of the far horizon to estimate how many cows you can see. Then question what conceivable effect the relatively miniscule mass of these cows and their farts could have on the huge biosphere stretching to the horizon and above. It defies all common sense that methane (CH4) from cow farts is a danger to the climate.
More importantly, it defies science as well as has been shown by Professor Will Hutton (and others): https://co2coalition.org/publications/van-wijngaarden-and-happer-radiative-transfer-paper-for-five-greenhouse-gases-explained/.
Thank you. I will do that some day when I am in a countryside with a high ground available (hard to come by where I am from). I have always intuitively thought this was nonsense. But my question was to understand the rationale behind it. Not to understand it with the purpose to affirm it.
In case you are still in doubt as to the evil ulterior motives of our puppet Uniparty politicians working at the behest of their globalist overlords, I invite you to critique my paper: https://metatron.substack.com/p/debunking-the-climate-change-hoax.
O thank you for this! This is definitely helpful in conversations with others. So an overview is very welcome. I am not usually clever enough to have a good comeback when people are all in to climate change and green energy and chiding me for expressing doubts.
Isn’t it obvious that the “rationale” of the fraudulent pseudo-science climate fearmongering on methane is to use it as a pretext to advance the war on farming and the wider climate change hoax aimed at imposing totalitarian one-world governance?
The rationale is that this feed additive supposedly reduces methane (a potent but short-lived greenhouse gas) emissions from cows burping and farting, but as I pointed out in my article, this implies that less CO2 and hydrogen are being converted into methane in the gut, therefore more CO2 (a less potent but long-lived greenhouse gas) is emitted.
Ah, ok so that means that it would make things worse, for what they attempt. Thanks. I hope informed choice will be possible.