I think those are your only options at this point Jaime. Choose wisely or you'll have the zombie hoard after you on the comments moaning one of the above at you in a monotonous drone 😆
It feels like chemtrails are a distraction from weather mod. There are modern companies out there like http://weathermodification.com/index.php. So is this only cloud seeding?
In the 1978 Senate Report on weather modification they tried to get buy in to not use these methods for warfare and to disclose when you are doing it. The history from that 78 report went back decades.
So as you debunk chemtrails and everyone argues over intention. They are blasting our skies with ground based systems and others to control the weather. China, Middle East, America, here locally in Alberta to suppress hail.
Is this ever taken into account? We asked Judith Curry this on our show but she doesn't think it happens enough to make a difference. But now they are openly talking about blocking out the sun. It's hard not to go there.
There are plenty of videos now (i dont know if they are all trustworthy) that plainly show stuff being sprayed out. Not just exhaust, from fuel with way more chemicals than they used to have in it.
Also see Jim Lee's work. It's more nuanced than they are or are not spraying chemtrails/persistent contrails.
Let’s run some numbers on the chemtrails business. Volcanoes emit 20 to 25 million tons of sulphur dioxide each year. There are 30 to 35 million flights each year. So to have the same effect as volcanoes every flight would need to carry about 700kg of sulphur dioxide. That’s about 10 passengers. Air freight rates are about $5 per kg. Probably more for hazardous substances. So transporting 20 million tons by air will cost you $100 billion each year. That’s a pretty expensive experiment. I doubt Bill could afford that on his own. He’d probably need to rope in his mates Fauci and Farrar. Then you have to consider the delivery method. Is it automated or does someone stand in the hold and throw out bales of the stuff. Hope this guy doesn’t get wet because then he’s getting acid burns. Also a volcano will send sulphur dioxide to an altitude of 20 miles, whereas most commercial jets will be at 7 miles maximum altitude. As an investor I’m going to pass on this chemtrails startup. My money’s on space mirrors.
Hey Jaime, I love your work. I believe myself to be pretty well read on all things covid, pharma cartel, globalists agenda, false flags, climate change, and the like. The one thing I can't seem to come to any kind of certainty on is geoengineering/chemtrails. There was an episode of The Highwire that went into it a bit with Dane Wiggington (I believe that's his name) and there seemed to be a decent amount of evidence, some of which straight from DOD documents, that shows that it's at least possible to poison people with aerosols (was actually done to San Francisco residents), modify weather, and do other CIA-type shenanigans with tech that's been around for decades. We know that the US government will use anything and everything at it's disposal in it's never ending war on We The People. So, where are we at, exactly?
Are chemtrails a conspiracy theory that's actually not true? Is there proof that the government ISN'T spraying any toxic substances on it's citizens? Is HAARP not capable of doing the kind of damage that has been claimed? I'm not being lazy. I've actually looked into it a bit, but I see just as much dismissal of such things as I do confirmation.
Weather modification/cloud seeding is real; it has and is being done with various degrees of success, locally, generally at low altitude. Stratospheric aerosol injection is technically possible and megalomaniac 'scientists' are currently researching the possibility of doing this on a global scale in order to prevent a 'climate crisis' which doesn't exist. There are huge legal obstacles to such an enterprise. No doubt there are various patents which are also real. But it's a huge leap of faith to conclude on the basis of this evidence that there is now, in actuality, an ongoing, pervasive, nefarious worldwide geoengineering/stratospheric aerosol injection project being carried out in the skies above our heads attributed variously with the intent to poison us or maliciously modify the weather in order to induce damaging extremes. It doesn't pass the sniff test. The original claim was that these 'chemtrails' were being sprayed by unidentified military aircraft. That claim fell apart when it was realised that the 'chemtrails' are not being sprayed but are issuing from the exhausts of identifiable commercial airliners. So the chemtrail conspiracists have pivoted to claiming that commercial airline companies are intimately involved and complicit in this massive conspiracy to 'spray us all like bugs'. That doesn't pass the sniff test either. Contrails are real and they are a huge and growing nuisance and a blight on our skies, that is for sure. They modify solar insolation/long wave radiation budget that is for sure. The huge increase in commercial airline traffic and the expansion of routes is probably enough to explain their presence, though it might be the case that natural weather cycles have moistened the upper troposphere and/or there might be an increased availability of upper atmosphere condensation nuclei (aerosols) to form these persistent, spreading contrails, either in the jet engine exhaust, or in the environment. I don't know for sure, but these possibilities do pass the sniff test for me.
"But it's a huge leap of faith to conclude on the basis of this evidence that there is now, in actuality, an ongoing, pervasive, nefarious worldwide geoengineering/stratospheric aerosol injection project being carried out in the skies above our heads attributed variously with the intent to poison us or maliciously modify the weather in order to induce damaging extremes."
and the systems driving our climate and weather are vast, covering millions of square miles, and leading to predicable results over local areas two weeks later. Weather modification attemps with some sucess, yes, climate no. Comercial airlines poisoing folk, very little evidence, and besides, the vaccines and standard american diet are already evil, sufficent unto the day.
I wasn't bragging. As I recall I merely pointed out in response to one of your usual deprecating comments that 530 was not insignificant. But please don't look in at all if the best you can manage each time is a brief, cynical, sarcastic swipe at my alleged unpopularity, implicitly suggesting that I must be wrong in what I am saying, in your opinion.
I liked Jaime's post too, for what it's worth! It's nice to see some actual evidence presented.
Yes commercial jets do emit tiny particles into the troposphere and they've always done that. It's a plausible hypothesis that this is a deliberate attempt to create cloud, given the many other ways in which the powers that be have tried to manipulate the world we live in - for the greater good of course. And this may indeed be an area of active effort in some places.
However, when the evidence goes against a theory, then we must, as enlightened people, be prepared to modify it or even abandon it.
What I do know is that airlines are aware of the problem of contrails (and they can be a problem for other aircraft as well as the obvious visual and climatic impact they pose). They have also apparently improved atmospheric monitoring so that they can minimise the production of persistent contrails by rerouting aircraft . . . . . . but it doesn't seem to be working too well! I do wonder if their heart is really in it and I do wonder if it's perhaps rather convenient that the net radiative impact of these artificially formed 'cirrus aviatus' clouds is apparently to warm the surface, thus bolstering the claim of a 'climate crisis'. But that's just the conspiracy theorist in me talking!
9 now. Like I'm really bothered by winning a popularity contest. I'm not. I write about subjects which I consider to be important and am not concerned at all if many people feel offended or put off by that endeavour on account of their personal beliefs or world view.
I think there may be statist money behind these programs, the aim to discredit all rational skeptics. (fake Moon landing, flat earth society, viruses are not real, as a few other examples.)
It's always fun to prod the chemtrail and similar tin foil hatters like the DEW brigade with a sharp stick to make them froth and wriggle though, isn't it?
I actually find it quite concerning. It's become a pervasive online cult movement which is drawing in more and more people. After having watched in horror what happened during Covid, with the masks and the vaccines, I'm seeing something similar happen with the geoengineering fantasists.
But what initially pulled on me was, that I thought after the covid crap: If the government can pull the wool over our eyes this badly, there is nothing I put past them (.including this spraying stuff).
I was also almost drawn in. It's not that I saw the light based on evidence or something. I just decided that not everything is worth time and thinking. so I just let it go, and have decided I have no opinion on the matter.
Don't worry Jaime, they'll soon get bored and find some fresh crackpottery to bother their little heads over!
After all, they have difficulty handling more one conspiracy theory at once, they haven't mostly enough neurons and their attention spans aren't of the longest.
Something happens.....must....blame....
A) Climate Change
B) Chem Trails
C) Conservatives
D) Brexit
I think those are your only options at this point Jaime. Choose wisely or you'll have the zombie hoard after you on the comments moaning one of the above at you in a monotonous drone 😆
It feels like chemtrails are a distraction from weather mod. There are modern companies out there like http://weathermodification.com/index.php. So is this only cloud seeding?
In the 1978 Senate Report on weather modification they tried to get buy in to not use these methods for warfare and to disclose when you are doing it. The history from that 78 report went back decades.
So as you debunk chemtrails and everyone argues over intention. They are blasting our skies with ground based systems and others to control the weather. China, Middle East, America, here locally in Alberta to suppress hail.
Is this ever taken into account? We asked Judith Curry this on our show but she doesn't think it happens enough to make a difference. But now they are openly talking about blocking out the sun. It's hard not to go there.
There are plenty of videos now (i dont know if they are all trustworthy) that plainly show stuff being sprayed out. Not just exhaust, from fuel with way more chemicals than they used to have in it.
Also see Jim Lee's work. It's more nuanced than they are or are not spraying chemtrails/persistent contrails.
Let’s run some numbers on the chemtrails business. Volcanoes emit 20 to 25 million tons of sulphur dioxide each year. There are 30 to 35 million flights each year. So to have the same effect as volcanoes every flight would need to carry about 700kg of sulphur dioxide. That’s about 10 passengers. Air freight rates are about $5 per kg. Probably more for hazardous substances. So transporting 20 million tons by air will cost you $100 billion each year. That’s a pretty expensive experiment. I doubt Bill could afford that on his own. He’d probably need to rope in his mates Fauci and Farrar. Then you have to consider the delivery method. Is it automated or does someone stand in the hold and throw out bales of the stuff. Hope this guy doesn’t get wet because then he’s getting acid burns. Also a volcano will send sulphur dioxide to an altitude of 20 miles, whereas most commercial jets will be at 7 miles maximum altitude. As an investor I’m going to pass on this chemtrails startup. My money’s on space mirrors.
Hey Jaime, I love your work. I believe myself to be pretty well read on all things covid, pharma cartel, globalists agenda, false flags, climate change, and the like. The one thing I can't seem to come to any kind of certainty on is geoengineering/chemtrails. There was an episode of The Highwire that went into it a bit with Dane Wiggington (I believe that's his name) and there seemed to be a decent amount of evidence, some of which straight from DOD documents, that shows that it's at least possible to poison people with aerosols (was actually done to San Francisco residents), modify weather, and do other CIA-type shenanigans with tech that's been around for decades. We know that the US government will use anything and everything at it's disposal in it's never ending war on We The People. So, where are we at, exactly?
Are chemtrails a conspiracy theory that's actually not true? Is there proof that the government ISN'T spraying any toxic substances on it's citizens? Is HAARP not capable of doing the kind of damage that has been claimed? I'm not being lazy. I've actually looked into it a bit, but I see just as much dismissal of such things as I do confirmation.
Thanks!
Weather modification/cloud seeding is real; it has and is being done with various degrees of success, locally, generally at low altitude. Stratospheric aerosol injection is technically possible and megalomaniac 'scientists' are currently researching the possibility of doing this on a global scale in order to prevent a 'climate crisis' which doesn't exist. There are huge legal obstacles to such an enterprise. No doubt there are various patents which are also real. But it's a huge leap of faith to conclude on the basis of this evidence that there is now, in actuality, an ongoing, pervasive, nefarious worldwide geoengineering/stratospheric aerosol injection project being carried out in the skies above our heads attributed variously with the intent to poison us or maliciously modify the weather in order to induce damaging extremes. It doesn't pass the sniff test. The original claim was that these 'chemtrails' were being sprayed by unidentified military aircraft. That claim fell apart when it was realised that the 'chemtrails' are not being sprayed but are issuing from the exhausts of identifiable commercial airliners. So the chemtrail conspiracists have pivoted to claiming that commercial airline companies are intimately involved and complicit in this massive conspiracy to 'spray us all like bugs'. That doesn't pass the sniff test either. Contrails are real and they are a huge and growing nuisance and a blight on our skies, that is for sure. They modify solar insolation/long wave radiation budget that is for sure. The huge increase in commercial airline traffic and the expansion of routes is probably enough to explain their presence, though it might be the case that natural weather cycles have moistened the upper troposphere and/or there might be an increased availability of upper atmosphere condensation nuclei (aerosols) to form these persistent, spreading contrails, either in the jet engine exhaust, or in the environment. I don't know for sure, but these possibilities do pass the sniff test for me.
Thanks for clarifying and for demarcating where the line is between what we know and what is speculation. That helps a lot!
Jamie says,
"But it's a huge leap of faith to conclude on the basis of this evidence that there is now, in actuality, an ongoing, pervasive, nefarious worldwide geoengineering/stratospheric aerosol injection project being carried out in the skies above our heads attributed variously with the intent to poison us or maliciously modify the weather in order to induce damaging extremes."
Bingo! ...
I would only add that there is no increase in 'damaging extremes', from C02 or chemtrails. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/
and the systems driving our climate and weather are vast, covering millions of square miles, and leading to predicable results over local areas two weeks later. Weather modification attemps with some sucess, yes, climate no. Comercial airlines poisoing folk, very little evidence, and besides, the vaccines and standard american diet are already evil, sufficent unto the day.
Liked by 5, you poor thing.
Just because in an earlier post you bragged about having 530 followers or some such. I only look in very rarely. But who's keeping score? hahah
I wasn't bragging. As I recall I merely pointed out in response to one of your usual deprecating comments that 530 was not insignificant. But please don't look in at all if the best you can manage each time is a brief, cynical, sarcastic swipe at my alleged unpopularity, implicitly suggesting that I must be wrong in what I am saying, in your opinion.
I liked Jaime's post too, for what it's worth! It's nice to see some actual evidence presented.
Yes commercial jets do emit tiny particles into the troposphere and they've always done that. It's a plausible hypothesis that this is a deliberate attempt to create cloud, given the many other ways in which the powers that be have tried to manipulate the world we live in - for the greater good of course. And this may indeed be an area of active effort in some places.
However, when the evidence goes against a theory, then we must, as enlightened people, be prepared to modify it or even abandon it.
What I do know is that airlines are aware of the problem of contrails (and they can be a problem for other aircraft as well as the obvious visual and climatic impact they pose). They have also apparently improved atmospheric monitoring so that they can minimise the production of persistent contrails by rerouting aircraft . . . . . . but it doesn't seem to be working too well! I do wonder if their heart is really in it and I do wonder if it's perhaps rather convenient that the net radiative impact of these artificially formed 'cirrus aviatus' clouds is apparently to warm the surface, thus bolstering the claim of a 'climate crisis'. But that's just the conspiracy theorist in me talking!
9 now. Like I'm really bothered by winning a popularity contest. I'm not. I write about subjects which I consider to be important and am not concerned at all if many people feel offended or put off by that endeavour on account of their personal beliefs or world view.
I think there may be statist money behind these programs, the aim to discredit all rational skeptics. (fake Moon landing, flat earth society, viruses are not real, as a few other examples.)
It was the hexagram of the heavens.
LOL. Somebody with an icloud.com email address just unsubscribed after receiving this post!
It's always fun to prod the chemtrail and similar tin foil hatters like the DEW brigade with a sharp stick to make them froth and wriggle though, isn't it?
I actually find it quite concerning. It's become a pervasive online cult movement which is drawing in more and more people. After having watched in horror what happened during Covid, with the masks and the vaccines, I'm seeing something similar happen with the geoengineering fantasists.
But what initially pulled on me was, that I thought after the covid crap: If the government can pull the wool over our eyes this badly, there is nothing I put past them (.including this spraying stuff).
I was also almost drawn in. It's not that I saw the light based on evidence or something. I just decided that not everything is worth time and thinking. so I just let it go, and have decided I have no opinion on the matter.
Don't worry Jaime, they'll soon get bored and find some fresh crackpottery to bother their little heads over!
After all, they have difficulty handling more one conspiracy theory at once, they haven't mostly enough neurons and their attention spans aren't of the longest.