In the collective "West" people are taught that they don't have rulers, instead they have "representatives." Those in positions of power stopped representing those who "elect" them a L-O-N-G time ago.
The "voters" are just now starting to realize this – as they were all sold a bill of goods, openly lied to! Not only that, they based their entire lives and livelihoods – and the lives and livelihoods of their children on this lie. That’s right, the lie of “representation spans generations.
It’s not just that their effective "rulers" are screwing them over – they're doing it with money collected from the people them!
This is not insulting, it's maddening. People are realizing [just now] that they have funded their own demise. They are also realizing that they are not now, and likely never were, in a position to do anything about it.
The result is what we are seeing now. Citizenship didn’t grant them access to the system they paid for, the system was used against them all along. The rules (read laws) that they followed were not designed to benefit “the masses” they were designed to limit the upward movement of the citizens. Keeping citizens in a manageable position.
So yes, those in power were expecting this. And they have planned for this over decades.
The only response from the citizens that I can see as a viable way to “win” would be noncompliance. Citizens collectively deciding that they are no longer going to operate under the current set of rules, and start living outside of those rules.
An example of this, although extreme, would be Sharia Law in some areas of the UK. There are entire areas that are NOT considered under British Control [Law], because there are Sharia courts operating in those areas. Those people are effectively policing themselves as *they* see fit.
After a generation, many of the people within those communities are naturalized British citizens. Without serious military action, there is no way for the British government to effectively enforce their laws – within their own borders.
There are large enough groups of citizens agreeing to live outside the system, so as to make it nearly impossible for the British government to enforce their laws [read subject their will] on those populations.
As a result, those communities are operating, more or less, outside of the system. That’s not to say that they don’t benefit *from* the system. Of course, they are using the welfare state to further their goals, but they are not living within the broader system that most British citizens are. Eventually they will become the majority, and begin changing the existing system to match their current system. Effectively stripping power away from the current rulers.
In the collective West, non-Muslim citizens need to adopt a similar methodology. Start finding ways to push government services out, and begin starting their own organizations to cover those functions.
While that’s not easy, I believe it’s necessary. Once enough people begin to operate outside the current system, the system will incrementally lose control – just like it incrementally gained control. Mimic those Muslim communities that have become “self governing” only do it *without* Sharia Law.
Other than that, I’m not sure how this ends well – anywhere.
I definitely think that setting up whole communities outside of the system is a good idea. We need to wean ourselves off of dependence upon the state. The state will of course resist such efforts. That’s why the state is currently making it harder and harder for people to grow their own food and keep their own animals and use cash for transactions.
You could set up alternative civil court systems easily enough. We have mediation and arbitration clauses now in contracts. Setting up a fast civil court system outside the cumbersome court system we have should be doable. Just finishing my second 8 year long lawsuit! A million bucks in legal fees.
Why else did Prevent focus so much on right wing 'radicalisation' despite the epidemic of weapons with mental health issues not limited to our Islands? Not to mention the known infiltration and agitation to violence of protest groups thorough the years - let alone the obvious contempt shown during the koof.
"Far Right", "Sir" Kneeler of Rotherham, protector of paedo DJs and grooming gangs of Pakistani taxi drivers?
No sunshine, "Just Right"!
In the collective "West" people are taught that they don't have rulers, instead they have "representatives." Those in positions of power stopped representing those who "elect" them a L-O-N-G time ago.
The "voters" are just now starting to realize this – as they were all sold a bill of goods, openly lied to! Not only that, they based their entire lives and livelihoods – and the lives and livelihoods of their children on this lie. That’s right, the lie of “representation spans generations.
It’s not just that their effective "rulers" are screwing them over – they're doing it with money collected from the people them!
This is not insulting, it's maddening. People are realizing [just now] that they have funded their own demise. They are also realizing that they are not now, and likely never were, in a position to do anything about it.
The result is what we are seeing now. Citizenship didn’t grant them access to the system they paid for, the system was used against them all along. The rules (read laws) that they followed were not designed to benefit “the masses” they were designed to limit the upward movement of the citizens. Keeping citizens in a manageable position.
So yes, those in power were expecting this. And they have planned for this over decades.
The only response from the citizens that I can see as a viable way to “win” would be noncompliance. Citizens collectively deciding that they are no longer going to operate under the current set of rules, and start living outside of those rules.
An example of this, although extreme, would be Sharia Law in some areas of the UK. There are entire areas that are NOT considered under British Control [Law], because there are Sharia courts operating in those areas. Those people are effectively policing themselves as *they* see fit.
After a generation, many of the people within those communities are naturalized British citizens. Without serious military action, there is no way for the British government to effectively enforce their laws – within their own borders.
There are large enough groups of citizens agreeing to live outside the system, so as to make it nearly impossible for the British government to enforce their laws [read subject their will] on those populations.
As a result, those communities are operating, more or less, outside of the system. That’s not to say that they don’t benefit *from* the system. Of course, they are using the welfare state to further their goals, but they are not living within the broader system that most British citizens are. Eventually they will become the majority, and begin changing the existing system to match their current system. Effectively stripping power away from the current rulers.
In the collective West, non-Muslim citizens need to adopt a similar methodology. Start finding ways to push government services out, and begin starting their own organizations to cover those functions.
While that’s not easy, I believe it’s necessary. Once enough people begin to operate outside the current system, the system will incrementally lose control – just like it incrementally gained control. Mimic those Muslim communities that have become “self governing” only do it *without* Sharia Law.
Other than that, I’m not sure how this ends well – anywhere.
What do you think?
I definitely think that setting up whole communities outside of the system is a good idea. We need to wean ourselves off of dependence upon the state. The state will of course resist such efforts. That’s why the state is currently making it harder and harder for people to grow their own food and keep their own animals and use cash for transactions.
You could set up alternative civil court systems easily enough. We have mediation and arbitration clauses now in contracts. Setting up a fast civil court system outside the cumbersome court system we have should be doable. Just finishing my second 8 year long lawsuit! A million bucks in legal fees.
That’s why removing cash is one of their “final solutions.”
But they can’t remove bartering, can they? Once people are able to survive with minimal support from the system, the control starts to slip away.
The “west” is looking increasingly like Eastern Europe in the ‘80s.
Their “leaders” should remember Ceaușescu.
and the enforcers should remember that they took off their uniforms and pretended that they were never enforcers. From what I read anyway.
Why else did Prevent focus so much on right wing 'radicalisation' despite the epidemic of weapons with mental health issues not limited to our Islands? Not to mention the known infiltration and agitation to violence of protest groups thorough the years - let alone the obvious contempt shown during the koof.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2018/oct/15/uk-political-groups-spied-on-undercover-police-list
The play book never changes.
Reappropriate the name. Far right = awesome. I think the world needs a little bit of far right… don’t you?
You're not far wrong.
I have responded to that as ‘yeah, I am far right. And you on the left are far wrong.’
Starmer: "The far right are showing who they are – we have to show who we are in response to that."
https://www.gbnews.com/news/protests-britain-rallies-planned-riots-uk-cities-southport
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
In the same vein as Goodwin’s “What did you expect?”, I suggest responding in the style of Billy Connolly: https://x.com/JamesMelville/status/1816611439412429255?t=VH_ok3uOgktnOj3g8IIZ-g&s=19.