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Jaime Jessop's avatar

Starmergeddon's ambition to start WW3 is not going to happen (yet):

"Sir Keir Starmer was set to leave Washington on Friday night without any announcement on allowing Ukraine to fire long-range missiles into Russia.

The Prime Minister held talks with Joe Biden in the White House to discuss pleas from Volodymyr Zelensky to let the country use the Storm Shadow missiles.

But John Kirby, a spokesman for the US national security council, said there would be no announcement on long-range missiles after the meeting. He did not rule out one at a later date.

Foreign Office sources had briefed against expecting the green light at the end of Starmer’s visit, but it will come as a disappointment to leave without a decision.

After the meeting, Sir Keir said the pair had come to a “strong position” but suggested a final decision on Storm Shadow had been deferred to the UN General Assembly at the end of the month."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/13/starmer-washington-no-biden-approval-ukraine-storm-shadow/

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Leaf and Stream's avatar

My guess is that the huge financial asset management companies, which now own huge lumps of resources in what is still Ukraine in return for all those loans, are getting very concerned that if the war goes in Russia's favour over the next few months - given Ukraine's precarious situation with its grid in pieces - that more and more of "their shareholders' " land and its huge resources gets subsumed in the Russian Federation, never to return. Maybe not, but it's plausible from where I am looking.

"Hand of God has struck the hour. No more war pigs have the power...".

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Jo Waller's avatar

Trump will defuse the situation in Ukraine now that his sponsors Blackstone/rock have bought up much of it (that isn't now Russian) and Raytheon have made lots of money! He could very well do so. He will also no doubt move on to a completely disastrous (to the US) economic or hot war with China and will of course continue the funding for the massacre, rape and brutality of men, women and children in Gaza and the West Bank.

You people have been totally conned.

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Shimpling Chadacre's avatar

I'm pretty much OK with nuclear Armageddon. Provided he starts with Westminster, Washington, Brussels, Paris, Berlin, Strasbourg, Canberra, Ottawa and Wellington, I'm struggling to see the downside. Out here in the Norfolk Fens, I'm not sure we'd notice.

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

I've lived in the Norfolk and Lincs Fens. It's easy to think you're insulated from the world outside, but sadly it's not so. Even a small scale tactical nuke targeting the Houses of Parliament will deposit nuclear fallout across the country - and across Norfolk and Lincolnshire if the wind is blowing from the south/south east.

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Shimpling Chadacre's avatar

Maybe so, but I still don't care. I think much of the nuclear fallout fear is due to the fact they THEY know it would likely be aimed straight at them, therefore they have to make everyone afraid to save their scrawny cowardly little hides. I hear the wildlife around Chernobyl is flourishing.

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

Yes, it is, which I think proves that nuclear fallout is not quite as dangerous as we have been led to believe, especially over the long term, plus it is the absence of humans which really benefits wildlife.

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Shimpling Chadacre's avatar

Ah, now you've bifurcated.

My inspiration circuits lit up when I stumbled upon the idea that the reason they want us all to be afraid of nuclear war is that they know it hits the power centres, rather than the little disposable minions, and thus why fallout had be made into the bogeyman. Have you seen the memes of Hiroshima and Detroit comparing the state they were in (post-nuke in Hiroshima's case) in 1945 and today? Something smells a bit fishy about the post-nuclear uninhabitable world they're trying to sell us.

On the other hand, I don't think it's necessarily the absence of humans which benefits wildlife - NB: I include humans in the wildlife category, but I think they're excluded from the Chernobyl area for the most part. Although I do find it quite amusing that advice for visiting the "Exclusion Zone" include:

Bring wet wipes, toilet roll, and hand sanitizer

Bring mosquito spray, especially in the summer

Keep your passport in a sealed plastic bag

Bring a small overnight bag and leave your main bag in luggage storage

Bring books, cards, smartphones, or iPads

I mean, I'm trembling with fear here.

The absence of dirt-poor, scrabbling for survival, "human brain vs animal brain with survival being the outcome for the winner" humans, definitely benefits any wildlife other than humans. As the non-human wildlife has evolved to understand. But I don't subscribe to any belief system that supposes a "better" world without humans in it.

I'm not religious in an official sense, but I accept the universe working itself out the way it does. Humans and our technology, as primitive as it is... it's all part of the natural world, despite the ongoing effort to keep us apart, conceptually.

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

You might be onto something with the post nuclear thing, although radiation sickness is verifiable in the immediate and median terms after detonation. We've been taught all our lives to fear radiation and in no small measure this has played into the hands of those who wish to shut down perfectly safe nuclear power stations providing exceptionally efficient electrical energy in preference for intermittent, expensive, inefficient and environmentally unfriendly so called 'renewables'. Fukushima aftermath pollution was, I believe, ridiculously overhyped.

It's true though that wildlife does thrive when human interference is at a minimum (most people are still banned from the Chernobyl exclusion zone). This is not an argument for genociding the human race (which I'm sure would please most Greens as long as they are not included); it's just a fact.

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Douglas Brodie's avatar

Who knows what could happen next after their assassination attempt on Trump failed.

From the warmongering Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/12/lammy-uk-missiles-vital-ukraine-putin/

Britain and America must give Ukraine the weapons it needs “to win” against Russia before a pivotal winter of fighting, the Foreign Secretary has said.

Ahead of Washington talks on long-range missile use, David Lammy told The Telegraph the coming months were “crucial” in helping Kyiv get in a winning position.

Talks between Sir Keir Starmer and Joe Biden, the US President, at the White House on Friday are expected to include discussions on whether to let Ukraine fire Storm Shadow missiles into Russia.

It came as Vladimir Putin warned that Nato and Russia would be at war if Kyiv was allowed to use longer range weapons.

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jim peden's avatar

Well, a nuclear holocaust followed by a nuclear winter would certainly solve both global warming and the overpopulation 'problem'. Oh, and justify the Deagel predictions too. (https://seemorerocks.substack.com/p/is-the-deagel-reports-2025-depopulation)

What's not to like?

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Dave Wise (Neoteric Wood Art)'s avatar

Agreed!

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ConradB_TX's avatar

This may be their only window of opportunity - we are living in seemingly perilous times. However, man proposes but God disposes. Ultimately He has control of this whole mess. Perhaps He is allowing them to show their hand before bringing down their house of cards.

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Proton's avatar

My fear is NATO would love it if Putin declared war.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Of course they would, that's what they're for.

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G1 Tim's avatar

The UK government and its military, I can’t use the word “intelligence”, are simply:

I N S A N E !

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David Walker's avatar

We can only hope the shit doesn't hit the fan before President Trump is safely ensconced back in the White House!

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

Unfortunately, I think the war pigs have decided that a Trump presidency is an existential threat to their warmongering plans, so there's a high likelihood that they will try to ensure that the shit DOES hit the fan ahead of November.

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