The thing is if the Spain flooding was GE why was it telegraphed so well by meteorologists ahead of time as a cut off low over warm waters is a recipe for disaster. Just like CAGW, GE offers a sticker plaster to apportion blame. The GE Freddy Otto's of the world are here with the insta attribution.
No thought given to how we might learn from these wx events to mitigate the effects in future - kind of like looking at flood markers and going 'maybe don't build there' or as Ben Pile states sorting the engineer (dredge, drainage etc). Of course, GE and CAGW insta excuses also direct attention away from possible alternate sources such as geothermal, volcanism, the weakening of the magnetic poles, oceanic cycles etc...
To paraphrase Eric Cartman 'stick a plaster on it and make it lame'
What we must remember is that US, Imperialist, fossil fuel, animal ag, pharma and big tech industries control everything that's going round on social media, even, or rather especially on truthers media. You didn't uncover a plot by the 'left' forcing you into dairy free smart cities, give me a break, you were spoon fed it by the Heartland Institute. The vilification of YNH, the old tropes of human climate denial etc were all swallowed whole- though glad to see you've drawn the line at the DEWs and HAARP nonsense.
There is no plot: as climate gets hotter the amount of coverage on MSM has got colder.
Any serious opposition to the status quo has been fooled into fighting an imaginary foe.
Yes, he's right: humans can't control the weather and truthers are making dicks of themselves (though human activity can influence the climate which is weather trends).
Though he's wrong: the 'left' agenda of control is a fake- coverage of the climate crisis has disappeared from MSM, carbon emissions and subs for fossil fuels are still rising, the tepid Paris agreement has failed- this evil agenda of social control was created and put about by Big Oil for, I hope, obvious reasons.
Said meterology student has been ignroing lots of facts
The term 'chemtrails' was created for the plebs, to make them look stupid
Try using the terms used by the perpetrators themselves - solar radiation management, stratospheric aerosol injection, weather engineeing etc etc etc - they like to keep changing their terminology. The perpetrators have a seemingly blank chequebook to fund their weather experiments. Check out this one
I don't know specifically how the term chemtrail came into being, but it is obviously a variant of contrail, implying that chemicals are producing the cloud like deposit created by a jet aircraft, not nucleated ice crystals. It is a term which has been widely used for many years, so if it was created for the 'plebs', the 'plebs' have enthusiastically endorsed it ever since. Solar radiation management has been proposed by the climate change crazies as a 'cure' for man-made climate change. One method is to inject aerosols into the stratosphere in order to scatter incoming solar radiation and thus cool the planet. We know this works because of observed global cooling due to stratospheric aerosol injections caused by major volcanic eruptions, e.g. Pinatubo in 1992. But such cooling is short-lived and the aerosols wash out in a year or two, so in order to cool the planet long term, SRM would need to be continued indefinitely, which would be a huge undertaking, and would necessarily involve co-opting commercial flights to inject tons of aerosols on each flight. There is no evidence that this is happening. It is the case however that tiny soot particles from the combustion of jet fuel are injected into the atmosphere via the exhaust, and these cause the precipitation of ice crystals which form CONTRAILS. The 'chem' trails which people are seeing are almost totally composed of frozen water vapour, not deliberately injected aerosols.
I wonder, if there is no evidence that GE is happening, why Mexico banned solar radiation engineering in 2022, that prohibitive legislation has now been introduced in 12 US States and that over 500 scientists have now signed the solar geoengineering non-use agreement that was drawn up in 2022? https://www.solargeoeng.org/
I suggest that maniacs and talking heads like Bill Gates wanting to personally fund a deeply unpopular and opposed SRM project, are deliberate set ups to be part of this 'left'/WEF control agenda- which is a total fake to scaremonger us created by Big Oil.
I would suggest that quite sensibly they have assessed the very real risks of geoengineering, have observed maniacs like Bill Gates and others pushing for geoengineering projects and research to go full speed ahead, and have decided to legislate against such interventions as a precautionary measure.
He is wrong though. I don’t believe for one minute they can control weather. But i have seem chemtrails laid down right in front of me and watched a bright blue sky cloud up from an ever thickening cross hatch. The fact that is happening doesn’t make me believe they can control weather. But they can and do mess up my sunny day. And they spray us with chemicals. They might THINK they can control weather. This is merely monkey wrenching.
'Chem' trails form behind the jet engine exhaust. They are not 'sprayed' from special nozzles fitted to the wings of commercial jets. Numerous direct observations confirm this. CONDENSATION trails have long been a feature of aircraft traversing our skies and they were observed to form even before the jet engine was invented. There are WW2 era photos of PERSISTENT contrails forming behind conventional fighter aircraft. The physics of contrail formation and persistence is well established. There is no logical reason to suspect that contrails from commercial jets all over the world are being deliberately 'laid down' using chemicals and I have yet to see any convincing hard evidence which proves that. So I think Chris is right.
By all means, demonstrate that my statements above are mis or disinformation, but don't just imply that they are without bringing any evidence to bear.
My agreement was with Jamie, not Deborah. There is an immense difference between weather modification, and climate modification, and until this year, and a sudden and unexpected ocean warming, which proceeded the atmospheric rise, nothing out of the normal weather flux has happened.
That Chris was published in WUWT is cool. (linked just above) The fact that Nick Stokes would not take up any of the questions Chris asked, is telling.
I was surprised to find I’m already following Chris. I don’t see much from him in my “For you” feed. And I’ve been retired from IT/engineering for so long I have no idea what Python does!
I was involved in a rather early (1970’s), government-run “weather modification” experiment where there was a real financial incentive to keep doing it if it worked. They don’t do it anymore. I saw that coming even back then.
The latest facepalm is steering hurricanes with lasers. I’m no physicist, but even I can see the silliness in that.
The fuckers are satanic cultiists who don't need a physical body or a thriving Earth. These delusional creatures think that they can live in a synthetic creation
Dellers has gone full hog on GE now...
https://delingpole.substack.com/p/valencia-man-made-climate-change
The thing is if the Spain flooding was GE why was it telegraphed so well by meteorologists ahead of time as a cut off low over warm waters is a recipe for disaster. Just like CAGW, GE offers a sticker plaster to apportion blame. The GE Freddy Otto's of the world are here with the insta attribution.
No thought given to how we might learn from these wx events to mitigate the effects in future - kind of like looking at flood markers and going 'maybe don't build there' or as Ben Pile states sorting the engineer (dredge, drainage etc). Of course, GE and CAGW insta excuses also direct attention away from possible alternate sources such as geothermal, volcanism, the weakening of the magnetic poles, oceanic cycles etc...
To paraphrase Eric Cartman 'stick a plaster on it and make it lame'
What we must remember is that US, Imperialist, fossil fuel, animal ag, pharma and big tech industries control everything that's going round on social media, even, or rather especially on truthers media. You didn't uncover a plot by the 'left' forcing you into dairy free smart cities, give me a break, you were spoon fed it by the Heartland Institute. The vilification of YNH, the old tropes of human climate denial etc were all swallowed whole- though glad to see you've drawn the line at the DEWs and HAARP nonsense.
There is no plot: as climate gets hotter the amount of coverage on MSM has got colder.
Any serious opposition to the status quo has been fooled into fighting an imaginary foe.
Yes, he's right: humans can't control the weather and truthers are making dicks of themselves (though human activity can influence the climate which is weather trends).
Though he's wrong: the 'left' agenda of control is a fake- coverage of the climate crisis has disappeared from MSM, carbon emissions and subs for fossil fuels are still rising, the tepid Paris agreement has failed- this evil agenda of social control was created and put about by Big Oil for, I hope, obvious reasons.
Chris is definitely a person with his head on straight. I'm glad you pointed him out to us. Thank you.
please for me detail what you know of Dr. V. Suomi...without looking him up...
FROM HERE: https://media.defense.gov/2017/Dec/28/2001861722/-1/-1/0/T_COBLE_BENIGN_WEATHER_MODIFICATION.PDF
"The history of weather modification by the military is checkered, to say the
least. Initial interest by the United States (US) Department of Defense (DOD)
goes back to the late 1940s, when the US Army Signal Corps contracted to
provide support for Project Cirrus. This project was the first scientific effort to
seed clouds in order to make rain. Shortly after the project began, the Office
of Naval Research and the Air Force joined the research team and provided
additional support to the project."
Yup and to THIS day! they just "make rain" ....uuummmmmmm OK!! LOMFL!
Do you know the difference between weather modification, and climate modification?
Said meterology student has been ignroing lots of facts
The term 'chemtrails' was created for the plebs, to make them look stupid
Try using the terms used by the perpetrators themselves - solar radiation management, stratospheric aerosol injection, weather engineeing etc etc etc - they like to keep changing their terminology. The perpetrators have a seemingly blank chequebook to fund their weather experiments. Check out this one
https://www.aria.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/ARIA-Actively-cooling-the-earth-programme.pdf
I don't know specifically how the term chemtrail came into being, but it is obviously a variant of contrail, implying that chemicals are producing the cloud like deposit created by a jet aircraft, not nucleated ice crystals. It is a term which has been widely used for many years, so if it was created for the 'plebs', the 'plebs' have enthusiastically endorsed it ever since. Solar radiation management has been proposed by the climate change crazies as a 'cure' for man-made climate change. One method is to inject aerosols into the stratosphere in order to scatter incoming solar radiation and thus cool the planet. We know this works because of observed global cooling due to stratospheric aerosol injections caused by major volcanic eruptions, e.g. Pinatubo in 1992. But such cooling is short-lived and the aerosols wash out in a year or two, so in order to cool the planet long term, SRM would need to be continued indefinitely, which would be a huge undertaking, and would necessarily involve co-opting commercial flights to inject tons of aerosols on each flight. There is no evidence that this is happening. It is the case however that tiny soot particles from the combustion of jet fuel are injected into the atmosphere via the exhaust, and these cause the precipitation of ice crystals which form CONTRAILS. The 'chem' trails which people are seeing are almost totally composed of frozen water vapour, not deliberately injected aerosols.
I wonder, if there is no evidence that GE is happening, why Mexico banned solar radiation engineering in 2022, that prohibitive legislation has now been introduced in 12 US States and that over 500 scientists have now signed the solar geoengineering non-use agreement that was drawn up in 2022? https://www.solargeoeng.org/
I suggest that maniacs and talking heads like Bill Gates wanting to personally fund a deeply unpopular and opposed SRM project, are deliberate set ups to be part of this 'left'/WEF control agenda- which is a total fake to scaremonger us created by Big Oil.
I would suggest that quite sensibly they have assessed the very real risks of geoengineering, have observed maniacs like Bill Gates and others pushing for geoengineering projects and research to go full speed ahead, and have decided to legislate against such interventions as a precautionary measure.
I agree we should focus on policy because the conversation about proving GE is a waste of time
He is wrong though. I don’t believe for one minute they can control weather. But i have seem chemtrails laid down right in front of me and watched a bright blue sky cloud up from an ever thickening cross hatch. The fact that is happening doesn’t make me believe they can control weather. But they can and do mess up my sunny day. And they spray us with chemicals. They might THINK they can control weather. This is merely monkey wrenching.
'Chem' trails form behind the jet engine exhaust. They are not 'sprayed' from special nozzles fitted to the wings of commercial jets. Numerous direct observations confirm this. CONDENSATION trails have long been a feature of aircraft traversing our skies and they were observed to form even before the jet engine was invented. There are WW2 era photos of PERSISTENT contrails forming behind conventional fighter aircraft. The physics of contrail formation and persistence is well established. There is no logical reason to suspect that contrails from commercial jets all over the world are being deliberately 'laid down' using chemicals and I have yet to see any convincing hard evidence which proves that. So I think Chris is right.
Are you uninformed, or just working for the wrong side?
By all means, demonstrate that my statements above are mis or disinformation, but don't just imply that they are without bringing any evidence to bear.
Agreed. However these " chem" trails have increased dramatically. As have the number of jet airlines. (-;
Just read a recent article by Chris M.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/10/24/chris-martz-asks-climate-fundamentalists-ten-fundamental-questions/
My agreement was with Jamie, not Deborah. There is an immense difference between weather modification, and climate modification, and until this year, and a sudden and unexpected ocean warming, which proceeded the atmospheric rise, nothing out of the normal weather flux has happened.
That Chris was published in WUWT is cool. (linked just above) The fact that Nick Stokes would not take up any of the questions Chris asked, is telling.
I was surprised to find I’m already following Chris. I don’t see much from him in my “For you” feed. And I’ve been retired from IT/engineering for so long I have no idea what Python does!
I was involved in a rather early (1970’s), government-run “weather modification” experiment where there was a real financial incentive to keep doing it if it worked. They don’t do it anymore. I saw that coming even back then.
The latest facepalm is steering hurricanes with lasers. I’m no physicist, but even I can see the silliness in that.
so if you're NOT a physicist, why are you chiming in?
I'm undecided about the chemtrails thing.
I don't believe it was for weather modification, though there are official records and patents.
I do believe it's to put poisonous shit in the atmosphere to fuck us all over.
But it affects the fuckers as much as it does the fuckees.
The fuckers are satanic cultiists who don't need a physical body or a thriving Earth. These delusional creatures think that they can live in a synthetic creation
Agreed.
Unless the effects are localised under the sprays, so where we minions live, but not where our glorious leaders live.
Yes; ‘cept you were born, more or less, right on time, Jaime! “Find your groove” and keep on grooving!
Hey, I found my groove; just don't want to become a broken down record!
or start skipping, or repeating, like the current US president, heaven forbid.