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Jo Waller's avatar

Hello

I would like to challenge the unenlightened science of virology, immunology and vaccinology. The whole thing rests on the premise that an undetectable particle causes a collection of common and wide ranging detox symptoms gathered into one 'disease' https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/seeing-is-believing and that changes in sticky globulins produced in a body after being injected with toxins can denote changes in 'immunity'.

https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/to-be-well-studied-one-must-read

Jo

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

Hello georgie&donny,

All opinions welcome. I do believe that the theory of a particular virus causing one particular disease defined by a set of recognisable characteristic symptoms and confirmed by sample testing is probably too simplistic, but I do disagree with what you say here:

"The smallpox that Nightingale saw and smelt was begun not caught. It was caused by dirty water, toxins and malnutrition. Improved sanitation did what the (lethal) vaccine could not do, which was to eradicate smallpox.(1)."

Improved health care and sanitation may indeed have significantly contributed to a decline in the incidence of smallpox, but I don't believe the 'dis-ease' itself, which is a lot more characteristically recognisable than other diseases, was 'caused' by poor sanitation. I think the evidence of transmission of some agent of disease is too difficult to dismiss.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hiya,

thank you.

Poxes are generally characteristic of toxins (from heavy metal and bacterial toxins in water) being expelled through the skin, and I don't think it's possible to tell the difference between where they're supposed to come from eg monkeys or cows etc. I don't think milkmaids even had the cow pox- it was just lesions on the udders of cows, but Jenner used it to claim they'd been 'exposed' to it and that's where immunity came from. https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/lets-hope-the-monkey-pox-nonsense

Where is your evidence (not just observation) of transmission please? https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/how-does-transmission-of-illness

Jo

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

The exact mode of primary transmission of smallpox is still open to debate, but the evidence suggests that it is transmitted via aerosols and/or large droplets (fomites). Even if you argue that smallpox symptoms arise from the existence of toxins, not a contagious virus, these toxins would appear to be transmitted mainly from person to person, rather than from the environment generally to people.

"In 1970, persons on 3 floors of a German hospital developed smallpox, despite isolation of the coughing, smallpox-infected patient in a single room [15]. Seventeen cases of smallpox developed; none of the patients had direct contact with the initial patient. Subsequent “smoke” testing demonstrated air flows consistent with an aerosol spread [15].

The last recorded death due to smallpox, according to World Health Organization investigators, was likely associated with virus that had been transmitted by aerosol [16]. In 1978, Janet Parker, a medical photographer at the University of Birmingham Medical School in England, became ill with smallpox and subsequently died. Her darkroom was 1 story above and several rooms down the hall from the laboratory of Dr. Henry Bedson, a prominent smallpox researcher.

Smallpox virus can also be transmitted by fomites, such as clothing and bedding [14]. Laundry workers have developed smallpox. One study found a much higher recovery of smallpox virus from pillows and bedclothes than from air samples of the patient's coughs [17]. "

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/39/11/1668/465225?login=false

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hello again,

I had a similar conversation with Mike Yeadon in April https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/what-they-really-dont-want-us-talking/comments

who is now categorically saying that viruses don't exist https://www.bitchute.com/video/YJgD92cWg45y/

I do think there may well be some signalling for the 'flu' like illnesses, between people in the same family or work group that it is a good time to detox, whether from stress, EMF, radiation etc. The trigger may be visual (like yawning, though even thinking about yawning can make you yawn), pheromones, microRNA. The fact that we don't understand the communication between bacteria, plant roots and fungi under the forest floor, does not mean it's not happening.

And I think 'chicken' pox, though there is no suggestion it's caught from chickens, may be signalled time to detox in others. It is associated with less risk of solid tumours in later life so also seems to be an important maturation phase. Children as also vaccinated at the same time- so could be their bodies also trying to detox at the same time.

I think you are also right about some toxins passing between 'hosts'. Rabies seems to be a neurotoxin from a bacteria in dogs kept under certain conditions that can cause harm to a person when they're bitten. The person never transmits a 'virus' to anyone else

Jo

Ps I think it's also important to look at the outcomes of trigger vs virus for respiratory illness. If we accept detox trigger EVERYONE bar the very stressed, elderly, frail or obese will get better. If we accept virus; global lockdown, thousands harmed or killed by toxic antivirals, vaccines etc

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

Thanks, yes, interesting. Mike didn't quite say that viruses don't exist; he stopped short of that, just admitted that our assumptions about them as disease causing agents may need revising. I will look into Kaufman, Cowan etc. which Mike references.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hiya,

in this clip he says 'A new bit of information that I learned recently collapsed the possibility that respiratory viruses as described exist at all. They don't. People still get ill like they did before that horrible Mike Yeadon said viruses don't exist" ...the cause of colds and flu is not respiratory viruses.

Viruses needn't concern us at all if they don't cause disease! If they don't make us ill then no need for lockdowns, vaccines , antivirals or any of this whole nonsense.

I see that your mind is open. The work of the Bailey's is also exemplary and entertaining https://drsambailey.com

thanks for replying Jaime Jessop, great talking to you,

Jo

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Jo Waller's avatar

Hiya, these are all just observations and are circumstantial not scientific evidence. A photographer could have possibly developed poxes from the chemicals in her darkroom, and laundry workers from detergents.

The smallpox virus in alleged 'cases' of the disease and on pillows are proteins and RNA fragments never shown to come from an infectious or pathogenic particle.

Jo

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Metta Zetty's avatar

You wrote: "I sincerely believe that without the mass vaccination campaigns, the pandemic would have been over and done with by the end of winter 2020/21 and the SC-2 virus would now be a stable, seasonally recurrent endemic disease, probably on a par with seasonal 'flu."

FWIW, the Amish in the US have already proven this to be true:

> https://ugetube.com/watch/amish-covid-full-measure_ccDwKD8q2Ol7MLF.html

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

You would think that the CDC/NIH would be falling over themselves to investigate what happened there and establish scientifically if indeed the Amish community had achieved herd immunity via natural infections and whether it was still effective against Omicron . . . . . .

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Metta Zetty's avatar

In a logical world, you are absolutely right.

But the CDC is nothing less than a pharmaceutical company (they own 20 vaccine patents), the NIH is now battling over patent rights for the Moderna vaccine, and both agencies are rife with scandals.

> CDC Scandals: https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/61bba44c4569

> NIH Scandals: https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/997b813db231

In THIS world, the CDC & the NIH have deep vested interests in keeping the truth deeply hidden . . . .

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

A comment in Nature by Markov et al:

"The comparatively milder infections with the Omicron variant and higher levels of population immunity have raised hopes for a weakening of the pandemic. We argue that the lower severity of Omicron is a coincidence and that ongoing rapid antigenic evolution is likely to produce new variants that may escape immunity and be more severe.

Omicron is the first VOC that is less virulent than other circulating strains and this has been enthusiastically interpreted to be a sign of the approaching end of the pandemic. Yet the lower severity of Omicron is nothing but a lucky coincidence — compared with previous VOCs, the majority of which featured increased virulence, Omicron appears like the exception. "

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00722-z

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Duchess's avatar

Crap.

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George Grosman's avatar

I'm not vaxxed - thankfully! - but aside from the triple vaxxed folks loading up on anti-virals, what can we do forestall the looming disaster?

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

I think that's about it George. Load up on antivirals and don't under any circumstances get any more jabs. The problem is, the more the jabbed get infected, the more their vaccinal antibodies outcompete their innate immune system antibodies, according to GVDB, so each infection further degrades their innate immune response until basically there's nothing left. That's a very vicious spiral and if a more virulent, vaccine escape SC-2 variant starts circulating, then they are going to be extremely susceptible to infection and serious disease. We can only hope this doesn't happen. The vaccine adverse effects we are seeing now are enough of a disaster in themselves, without this happening as well.

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George Grosman's avatar

I did not get even the first one, so no worries about getting more. Out of the question. Do you think we'll see a time when someone will stand up and own up to this catastrophe?

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

I don't think anyone will ever do that George, at least not voluntarily, and the chances of them doing so even under cross examination by an official enquiry or in a court of law are risibly low I fear. This tweet from Peter McCullough. If Omicron is just a "lucky coincidence", then we may not be so lucky next time.

https://twitter.com/P_McCulloughMD/status/1515371258430599180

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

Two articles published today by Igor Chudov and El Gato Malo tend to confirm that this is happening, that enhancement of infection and disease is real and that it's not looking good at all for highly vaccinated countries.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/aids-like-chronic-covid-is-taking?s=r

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/covid-is-becoming-increasingly-vaccine?r=i378u&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Rhymes With "Brass Seagull"'s avatar

In other words....everyone has VAIDS! VAIDS VAIDS VAIDS!

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