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Paul Hedon's avatar

And now he may ban any future elections.

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Liz T 🇦🇺's avatar

The American Revolution, the French Revolution and the Cromwell Uprising were all plotted in pubs. As a pub owner, this was not lost on me in the hours; or maybe even minutes after they shut my pub in March 2020.

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Toffeepud's avatar

He could ban smoking tomorrow, but he won't - lose all that revenue? No, this is petty, spiteful, one more turn of the screw on ordinary people. The high earners are leaving in droves (which means higher taxes for those lower down the social scale), immigrants ate flooding in.....the next 5 years will feel like 10.

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Deborah's avatar

Starmer has been WEF, Trilateral, Bildeberg, and Blair groomed to take Britain past their 2030 goal. Who is their plan B? Angela Rayner? Miliband? Starmer is not going to work out for the globalists since every time his mouth opens, people are repelled further and further away from his ideologies, values, and morals & from his creepiness.

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OGRE's avatar

Here's why Keir Starmer wants to shut down bars and taverns:

The British government is doing to its people -- precisely what is done before things go sideways.

https://yesterdaysamerica.com/haunts-of-the-founding-fathers-7-most-historic-us-taverns/

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Jeremy Poynton's avatar

Starmer = Cromwell

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Jeremy Poynton's avatar

Just realised. Starmer is Oliver Cromwell reincarnated...

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Douglas Brodie's avatar

Slightly off topic but illustrating the same tyrannical control freakery, Sicko Starmer speaking in January 2022: "We should have vaccinated more children. Of those who are 12 and over and eligible for the vaccine, only half of them have been vaccinated." https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1829156347390161220?t=EYGgBKx4ZnLj5LWrL4sl_Q&s=19.

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DJ_Wight's avatar

Sounds worth a try.

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David Walker's avatar

As tobacco duty brings i approximately four times as much as the alleged cost to the NHS caused by smoking, it doesn't make sense at any level.

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Paul Cassidy's avatar

The biggest cost the average person in the U.K. imposes on the NHS is from late life care. Once you’re in your 80s, unless you’re very lucky, it’s a constant round of doctors’ appointments and hospital visits. As smokers on average live a few years less than non smokers the saving they deliver from either not imposing this cost or imposing less of it comfortably outweighs any additional cost they impose earlier on in life with smoking conditions.

Then throw into the mix the huge extra tax revenue they generate over a lifetime through tobacco duty and VAT and the saving in State pension from earlier death and it is clear that they massively benefit the State financially relative to non smokers.

The “argument” advanced here by Starmer and the so called public health lobby is utterly specious. Christopher Snowdon is great on this stuff and his Substack well worth subscribing to.

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Jeremy Poynton's avatar

Starmer doesn't make sense at any level. I'm 73. Seen a raft of politicians good and bad, Nothing compares to Starmer - even the hideous Brown.

Starmer and Brown share much in common though. A complete humour bypass at birth. A sense that joy is an emotion neither have experienced. A raw loathing of the ordinary working man and woman. And a desire to inflict pain on others. A man without a soul.

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Jaime Jessop's avatar

The signs were there for all to see. Starmer displayed many of the classic traits of malignant narcissism, or narcissistic sociopathy. Despite this, or maybe because of it, he was elected leader of the Labour Party, and then in 2024, the fake Cons, and Sunak in particular, by neglecting their obligation to pursue genuine conservative policies, conspired with the FPTP electoral system to put Starmer into power. So then Labour rode into Downing Street on a Red steed and Starmer led them atop a Pale steed, and Hell followed with him.

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Jeremy Poynton's avatar

" malignant narcissism"

Yup. Tangled with one of those, 20 years ago. Once met, you can spot them a mile off. One hint - challenge one and watch them explode. One I encountered, I'd actually know for 40 years - college mate from the early 70s, high-flying Acupuncturist. Knew his girlfriend, and found out he had abused her. Challenged him. BANG! End up in court, with an injunction on me - I had told many of his colleagues what he had done. His "college", whilst accepting he had done what they were told, didn't sack him as they had "no procedures" to deal with what he did (she was an ex-student, they started dating before she left). No procedures to deal with someone amoral. Wow! Nor does Acupuncture have a regulatory body - and it seems there are many predatory male acupuncturists around.

Anyway, I had the last laugh. I married his girlfriend...

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CraigM350's avatar

He puts the Dick in Dictator

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Shimpling Chadacre's avatar

Corona hysteria normalised the idea that you should feel responsible/guilty for breathing out air that someone else might breathe in, the smoking outside ban is just another flavour of the same. Speaking forbidden words or ideas in public are similarly now criminalised to all extents and purposes. Perhaps this is where really dumb utopians inevitably lead us - into an inoffensive world of enforced delusion.

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